Slight front page facelift...

[Cless]

My old site is now finally using the starocean.org domain I registered in December of '05.

I recoded the front page from scratch with a very similar design to the old one. This isn't really meant to look like the redesign I had in the pipeline but the damn thing was just such an eyesore and incredibly embarrassing... so as an exercise with CSS I redid it.

Code is valid HTML 4.01 Strict. The old main page had over 420 validation errors.

Oh. And Internet Explorer is a bitch. Please dump it. IE forced me to waste many hours getting it to look right in it...

[Rhapsody]

Oh. And Internet Explorer is a bitch. Please dump it. IE forced me to waste many hours getting it to look right in it...

Heh, I've been working on my own little site and eventually decided to just screw Internet Explorer support entirely. The whole site (with the exception of a few test pages) is XHTML 1.1 with an application/xhtml+xml content-type. Most browsers can handle it, but all versions of Internet Explorer (up to and including version 7) will just display a prompt for download.

(As a quick aside, I actually made a test page to see what IE would do with my current coding served with a text/html content-type. It somehow managed to screw up the menubar anyway, applying a left margin where there should be none, which is a pretty staggering screw-up considering it's just 11 lines of code.)

It would've been fairly easy for the IE developers to hack around this by just making IE treat documents with an application/xhtml+xml content-type as if they had a text/html content-type (also known as 'tag soup parsing') but they deliberately chose to leave out all support until they implement full support for XHTML in IE (which I would estimate to be completed sometime in the 23rd century).

So, all in all I have to echo these sentiments. IE is a total bitch, and there are few excuses to use it regularly these days. There are so many better browsers around...

Edit: Actually, to sum this up best, I think I will quote myself here.

"Pretty much everyone knows that Internet Explorer is a nasty browser with poor standards support, but it takes designing a web site to really instil a hatred of it in you."

[Tsukimoon]

"Pretty much everyone knows that Internet Explorer is a nasty browser with poor standards support, but it takes designing a web site to really instil a hatred of it in you."

Yup, I use Opera, it's the best browser ever. I found out recently that it can mask itself as Firefox and IE, so it can view pages that only work with those browsers (except mapleglobal, I still have to use IE for it)

[Rhapsody]

Yup, I use Opera, it's the best browser ever. I found out recently that it can mask itself as Firefox and IE, so it can view pages that only work with those browsers (except mapleglobal, I still have to use IE for it)

I personally prefer Mozilla Firefox (I'm a free software advocate and use Kubuntu Linux, and I have 17 extensions) but Opera is fine too. At least it can handle my site properly.

[Cless]

Opera does have slightly better standards support than Firefox. The gap between it and Firefox vs. IE is of course, microscopic, relatively speaking.

I'd probably use Opera if it weren't for Firefox's extension support, though.

(Firefox actually DID make me angry at its lack of support for the CSS display type 'inline-block', in the early stages of designing that front page, but... IE gave me plenty more headaches.)

[Leroy]

Hmm.. I've never had any issues, surfing or designing, with Internet Explorer. I do use Firefox at home but that's mostly because I got into it for Tabbed Browsing and Extensions.. which made it cooler than Maxthon (a tabbed IE shell). But, now I use almost no extensions and I guess I just got used to it so I just stuck with it. I do NOT think it's "God's Gift to the Internet," as so many people do though.. it's just a web browser after all.

[Kajitani-Eizan]

i love the all-in-one mouse gestures extension.

[Kogahazan]

i love the all-in-one mouse gestures extension.

Yes. My friend and I can't live without that now.

[Datschge]

Using Konqueror. All other browsers keep annoying me.