Vesperia, Discontinued?

[pedrocasilva]

Really?  All the research I did told me that you can flash the firmware to play backups, but you cannot play games of other regions.  No modchip exists for Xbox360 for playing other region games either...

Really? (If you say it is like that I'll take your word) :O you can flash it to read DVD-R's... but you can't run imports? WTF 

Oh well, I guess you can import the US version, back it up and patch it into a DVD-R identifying as a PAL release, no? less than ideal workaround but... point is playing the game, I guess.

[Cless]

Interesting tidbit in latest Famitsu:

Bandai Namco
- surprised how well ToV sold.

Feels like we were fed different info not long ago. Regardless, I have a hard time believing they're only including Japan in that statement. There was also:

- plan to release 5-6 games on 360 this year. since it's HD they are all big titles

[pedrocasilva]

how can they be happy with getting their ass kicked by a spin-off like that in japan is surprising, shows they were investing a lot on a title they expected to sell even less than what it did, which isn't a very good strategy if you ask me, if anything because there's more money to be done elsewhere (are the sales it got considering it is the most expensive tales ever enough to even turn a profit without "external funding" being a factor?)

As for whatever titles those are, no idea.

On other news, in the same magazine it states Atlus is going HD and focusing on the X360, meh.

[mikeyramone]

Interesting tidbit in latest Famitsu:

Bandai Namco
- surprised how well ToV sold.

They better goramn well release it in Europe then!!!!!

[pedrocasilva]

They better goramn well release it in Europe then!!!!!

It'll come, the question is when.

[dragurd]

The Atlus thing confuses me. I'm pretty sure their games have the largest following in Japan so why focus your efforts on the weakest console in the area of your largest following?

[pedrocasilva]

The Atlus thing confuses me. I'm pretty sure their games have the largest following in Japan so why focus your efforts on the weakest console in the area of your largest following?

No freaking idea comes to mind other than... who runs these companies? And how have they managed to stay in business for so long? ^^'

I'd say it'll probably be cross platform with PS3 though, but with X360 as the lead platform (which can't be a good thing for the PS3 build of that).

[me_001]

Interesting tidbit in latest Famitsu:

Bandai Namco
- surprised how well ToV sold.

I read somewhere that they were expecting 500 K copies sold in Japan and America. I don't remember if it's reliable, but if it sold beyond what they were expecting, I guess it sold pretty well here.

[pedrocasilva]

I read somewhere that they were expecting 500 K copies sold in Japan and America. I don't remember if it's reliable, but if it sold beyond what they were expecting, I guess it sold pretty well here.

No freaking way ^^' we wouldn't even be wondering if it was discontinued and we'd know it had sold well to start with.

 I'd believe in expectations of 500k sold within an year on all territories or so and even then that would probably be pushing it; but more credible just the same.

[me_001]

No freaking way ^^' we wouldn't even be wondering if it was discontinued and we'd know it had sold well to start with.

They probably didn't expect them to sell out this fast. That would explain why they aren't any copies left. (or am I just talking stupid.)

[pedrocasilva]

They probably didn't expect them to sell out this fast. That would explain why they aren't any copies left. (or am I just talking stupid.)

I doubt that to be the case, they keep inventories and it's not like it sold through the roof when compared to other games who manage to see when stock is running dry and thus order/make more prints; letting Vesperia go completly out of stock compared to those cases is like Namco was seeing a tidal wave coming in slow motion and didn't take cover. I don't know how much time it takes to get a new print for the game, but not anticipating it at all would be dumb.

Stuff goes out of print, sometimes for no good reason... I mean, remember Ico 1? they did one print of it and then left it alone until Shadow of the Colossus came around... it was selling like it was made of gold in ebay already, but SCE wasn't cashing on it. Although granted, it was selling for big values, but if it was in stock would never be a million seller back then, so for sony having it out of print or not could be kinda irrelevant. (but still they had nothing to loose in keeping it on print, since it's a quality game and all)

That said, yours is not a "stupid" assumption at all, but I find that unlikely.

[me_001]

I doubt that to be the case, they keep inventories and it's not like it sold through the roof when compared to other games who manage to see when stock is running dry and thus order/make more prints; letting Vesperia go completly out of stock compared to those cases is like Namco was seeing a tidal wave coming in slow motion and didn't take cover. I don't know how much time it takes to get a new print for the game, but not anticipating it at all would be dumb.

Well, namco doesn't strike me as a very organised company (stuff like anniversary site not being online until around september), but what you're saying makes much more sense. Do you think they will start making copies again?

[pedrocasilva]

Well, namco doesn't strike me as a very organised company (stuff like anniversary site not being online until around september), but what you're saying makes much more sense. Do you think they will start making copies again?

I hope so, but like you said they aren't very organized, or clever for that matter; I still remember when Tales of Symphonia GC went out of print in Europe, websites had it on their Gamecube top 10 constantly... until they simply ceased to receive stock (and this was like... a year before Wii came out, the GC still had some months of life left); of course this is Namco US, but they kinda sport the same approach towards things.

Even if they made a reprint and lowered the price, it would still be money coming in for unit sold, they ought to do it, rather than, well... leaving it "discontinued".

[pedrocasilva]

*phoenix down*

Not the theme of the thread, but since we're always speculating what ToSDotNW sold or didn't sold...

IGN revealed the NPD data:

"Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World has sold just over 95,000 - NPD numbers"

Source: http://www.nintendoeverything.com/?p=9513

VGCharts is way off (claiming 220.000). Still amounts to good sales I think though, considering it is a low budget spin-off, I reckon Tales of Legendia sold worse (I remember hearing it sold 30.000, but that might be first month of sales data), and maybe even Abyss, whom I remember hearing 50.000 (question is if it was shipped, first month(s)/short period of time, or lifetime in US until... 2007 or so). It also means it sold just under 100.000 in just over 3 months, it might still have legs.

Again... far from the "not selling" I've seen stated, as I was always sure it was. Anyway... Better sales than it deserved and with Japan it amounts to 320.000 units sold or so.

[Joseph]

So I was right about them overtracking. 95k would probably put Dawn at about the same level as Vesperia. (The last known NPD numbers had Vesperia around the 70k mark in its second month.)