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[pesmerga00]

Blah blah blah false since of belonging blah blah blah my system will beat up your grandma blah... Console wars for the eternal LOSE guys.


Microsoft realizes they had a label for last gen for not having a diverse library and they are making damn sure this time around to rid themselves of it by snagging up all the RPGs/jRPGs they can while maintaining exclusivity rights. They are flushing out the entire (dedicated Playstation RPG fanbase) of PS3 slowly and steadily through frustration. You can't blame them though, businesses are there to make money. Simple as that. End of discussion.

Anyways, about Vesperia...


I have a hunch that once the Vesperia Movie is released we'll hear more about a PS3 release if any release date at all, Namco has been really into their anime recently so it might be putting a damper on other things. Plus it would work extremely well to release the movie than finally do a proper PS3 port (with playable Flynn...har har <_>). I doubt it will make it out of Japan really but PS3 is region free and if Namco has ANY... and I repeat ANY kind of sense at all they will tag on an English dialog subtitle track and triple the sales from all the importers. That is one of the biggest strengths of the PS3 IMO and Sony really needs to start taking more advantage of it.

Tales of Vesperia is actually the sort of game that could do better in the States on PS3 than on 360 due to it vastly RPG-less library and "loyal RPG loving fanbase" which is slowly dwindling.

That is,it could do better if they decide to release it at a reasonable price. Eternal Sonata is a game thats nearly 2 years old now and it still costs 60 large for the PS3 version in the states while the 360 version goes for around a cool 20.

Now I realize its got bonus features, etc but for a two year old game theres no excuse for releasing at full price like that especially on a system thats hurting for sales and DESPERATELY needs games of that genre to sell.

But if Namco is looking to make up for for its estimated sales earnings of Vesperia than you bet your butt there will be a PS3 port somewhere along the line here... hopefully.


I myself prefer Playstation products which to me have proven over a long time reliabilty, performance, good tech support, etc. My "loyalty" ends there though.

Bottom line folks, don't blame Microsoft like they are going up against some 13 year old boy with glasses, cancer, and crutches. They are going up against Sony Entertainment. Blame Sony for not taking the risks and shelling out the dough to get these games from the start.

Until Sony steps up to the plate soon with a fat bag a of cash and starts securing some third party exclusives (mainly RPGs and such) I don't see its situation improving much.

[Craymel]

I have a hunch that once the Vesperia Movie is released we'll hear more about a PS3 release if any release date at all, Namco has been really into their anime recently so it might be putting a damper on other things. Plus it would work extremely well to release the movie than finally do a proper PS3 port (with playable Flynn...har har <_>). I doubt it will make it out of Japan really but PS3 is region free and if Namco has ANY... and I repeat ANY kind of sense at all they will tag on an English dialog subtitle track and triple the sales from all the importers. That is one of the biggest strengths of the PS3 IMO and Sony really needs to start taking more advantage of it.

Ok while they could very well make this sort of marketing decision I have to say they aren't actually "busy" with the recently released anime's. If anything they're busy collecting royalties from the anime's. Namco themselves don't actually produce the animations based off of their games. Sunrise is doing the currently airing TOA anime and kodakawa pictures is working on the TOV film. Just informing.

[Joseph]

I myself prefer Playstation products which to me have proven over a long time reliabilty, performance, good tech support, etc.

Tell that my original Playstation and PS2 models. 

[Datschge]

Sunrise is doing the currently airing TOA anime

Just FYI, Sunrise is owned by the Bandai Namco Holdings.

[Craymel]

Just FYI, Sunrise is owned by the Bandai Namco Holdings.

well you learn something new everyday.

[Joseph]

Not too surprising, considering the Gundam connection.

[Hoa Dao]

I also want to correct that Eternal Sonata came out in the summer of 2007 (In Japan) so it's not quite two years old yet (just trying to jump in. XD)

More to the point - Are ToV sales that bad? O_O???  I don't have a 360 so I wouldn't know. >o>;;

[pesmerga00]

hence the words used "nearly 2 years old" 

and no Vesperia sales were about decent in the states and good in japan but nothing close to what projected

either way its good 360 got it but PS3 desperately needs games like it

[Hoa Dao]

I dunno, it doesn't feel like "nearly" to me, though that's probably because it's my way of thinking. xD

Decent?  Though I've heard that they're discontinuing the sales of ToV or something.  And yes, I'm quite lazy to read the thread, though I'll read it eventually... when I'm not running late for class :'D;; ...

[Penance]

I'd like a PS3 Port.
It doesn't look like Europe is going to get it so that would be my only option other than importing a console which I really, really do not want to do...

[pedrocasilva]

and no Vesperia sales were about decent in the states and good in japan but nothing close to what projected

I wonder about the "good" definition in Japan.

It just sold less than a low budget spinoff (Tales of Symphonia: Knight of Ratatosk) and 4 times less than the average "mothership" Tales title on a home platform. As for US it is indeed decent, but that's all it is, and can also be explained by how saturated PS2 was when compared to the X360, but considering it is the most expensive Tales ever though, commercially it was a failure. US sales were not that good, and in Japan, even if it was expected since X360 doesn't sell there... it was a flop nonetheless.

[Shawn]

I'd like a PS3 Port.
It doesn't look like Europe is going to get it so that would be my only option other than importing a console which I really, really do not want to do...

Didn't you hear about the interview (Famitsu, IIRC?) with Higuchi Yoshito, the creative producer for Vesperia? He specifically stated he was working on getting it brought over (probably getting the publishing and whatnot set up). He even commented on no extra content being added because getting the logistics worked out was hard enough right now.

You need to stop spreading FUD about Vesperia in Europe. That's partially the whole reason he probably had to do that, because everyone was going "Atari denies they're publishing Vesperia, that means we won't get it even though Namdai said they were working to get it over here in 2009", and Namdai had to resolve that before it got out of hand.

(The interview was translated by Rpgmonkey, so it's not a 2ch rumor. )

[pesmerga00]

@Wilhelm:

Everything you just said is right on the ball.

However you should know that its just a lack of patience and history thats bringing on these kinds of attitudes. Whether they get them or when the Euros have always gotten the shaft on Tales/Namco releases and so of course there will be skepticism. Like I stated earlier, once PS3 actually decides to shell out some cash and secure some 3rd party games they should start taking advantage of no region coding and slap a couple dozen subtitle tracks on there blu-ray releases. Bingo, 10X profit from imports. Theres probly a dozen and a half trillion laws preventing them from doing this or whatever but lets hope they find a way around it so EVERYONE gets to enjoy these great games.

Seriously though, Euros, you definintly have a right to be skeptical and impatient but it IS coming like Wilhelm stated.

[pedrocasilva]

You need to stop spreading FUD about Vesperia in Europe. That's partially the whole reason he probably had to do that, because everyone was going "Atari denies they're publishing Vesperia, that means we won't get it even though Namdai said they were working to get it over here in 2009", and Namdai had to resolve that before it got out of hand.

(The interview was translated by Rpgmonkey, so it's not a 2ch rumor. )

Let's face it, the morons don't know what they're doing, hence why these things happen. Gamers had to keep pushing for the idiots to finally confirm they were gonna bring ToSDoNW at some undisclosed date, when they had confirmed ToV for a long time now; what kind of brand management is that when ToSDotNW sold more worldwide? or even if it had sold the same, or less, it was still the sequel to the Tales game that sold more worldwide and the onlçy one who had some considerable footing in PAL territories.

Anyway, ToV was confirmed for quite some time for 2009, the panic was more in the lines of "when is it coming, is it still coming?!" whereas with ToSDotNW it was all but confirmed, it was ignored. As usual by Namco Europe no less. They've been working down this screwed up path for more than 10 years now, nothing changed much since Tales of Destiny 1 and PAL territories.

Namco has a BIG internal commitment problem, it always had.