Japanese Xbox 360 owner chops TOV Disc in half, burns Jump announcement

[Cless Aileron]

If you're implying that I'm "hating" on pedrocasilva, I'm not. He's a great contributor that's posted lots of scans and info for different games. I just don't understand why he needs to bring up finances in nearly every Vesperia-related thread, as if we're all Namco board members debating whether to go forward with another HD Tales or not.

It's not you hating on him, it's more about that whole "Tales should never have been on the 360" stuff and pushing the proof there he likes to push to say that.  I'll shut up now.

[pedrocasilva]

If you're implying that I'm "hating" on pedrocasilva, I'm not. He's a great contributor that's posted lots of scans and info for different games. I just don't understand why he needs to bring up finances in nearly every Vesperia-related thread, as if we're all Namco board members debating whether to go forward with another HD Tales or not.

I think he was impling I had "hatred" for it/felt the need to persecute it, rather than you hating on me, which I know you aren't, or him, for that matter.

I don't think it is that, but I understand the stance, I just dislike it (such stance) because I feel it makes something more "personal" than it really is. I'll also say that in insight I think I shouldn't have brought the sales thing in here, I even checked now to see if it was really me who brought it, and I was; I understand my line of thought in doing so and all (I wasn't focusing on it, more like a footnote thing) but... like said I thought we were over it, and thus I feel it should have stayed out.


Regarding sales... I just spoke my mind about the numbers above... and I know there won't be  consent so I'll gladly agree to disagree.

Since this is becoming a touchy issue, I'll draw the line here and not dig any further. What matters is Vesperia is getting more exposure on another platform and Wii fans are getting a quality Tales game.

Ugh, don't bring the Wii on me here.

I agree Tales of Vesperia getting more exposure and a PS3 port is good, that's what I was hoping for since the beginning actually. I hope it covers the lack of sales I felt it had in Japan.

It's not you hating on him, it's more about that whole "Tales should never have been on the 360" stuff and pushing the proof there he likes to push to say that.  I'll shut up now.

Never said that and never will, for the record I think the more the merrier, and if there's a PS3 Tales game later on I think it's nice that it comes out on X360 as well, as I think X360 deserved the enhanced content via DLC or a directors cut edition.

Now you know I never saw the exclusivity in question with good eyes, I won't deny that. Hence I'm happy that Ps3 owners can enjoy the game now (and I'll also say that: if I were to buy one of the two platforms I'd go for X360, and that I truly hate PS3 boxes so if I had both consoles I'd probably get x360 games just so the boxes would go along well with my collection)

In conclusion, the game is out for both systems and Namdai has more money for it's trouble. So what exactly is the problem? If you read all this, I love you. ...I'm going to fail life if I don't get my shit in gear.

throughhim413 I've read it all and I don't disagree with anything in particular, you're right, but I still think ToV as a X360 exclusive could have helped jeopardize Tales popularity in Japan rather than help it, and that PS3 sales could possibly suffer from it.

Just a thought though, I think just thinking of the immediate easier way to turn a profit/make money is pretty... nearsighted. I really didn't want to derail the thread into this though.

EDIT: can we drop it? I love all of you guys.

[throughhim413]

throughhim413 I've read it all and I don't disagree with anything in particular, you're right, but I still think ToV as a X360 exclusive could have helped jeopardize Tales popularity in Japan rather than help it, and that PS3 sales could possibly suffer from it.

Just a thought though, I think just thinking of the immediate easier way to turn a profit/make money is pretty... nearsighted. I really didn't want to derail the thread into this though.

Actually, that seems to be getting the topic back on track. This was a thread about pissed off Japanese fans, after all. I mean, clearly going to the 360 with Vesperia pissed some fans off, but I can't imagine that it did any real damage to the series' reputation. It'll take a lot more than that to destroy the series that overcame Tales of the Tempest. (Hope that was on-topic enough...)

[pedrocasilva]

Well, yes, but my initial point in this thread was that this was a pissed fan, rather than plural. just like there were some with the FFXIII going multiplatform on the PS3 front. But... ultimately it's their loss if they don't buy it because it's coming elsewhere. (and pretty stupid at that)

Since we're trying to get this on track, I'll post something that is obvious but I found... had a pretty fun timing, from this weeks famitsu:

many surveyed both praised/panned the choice of consoles/games available: “Every current platform is in competition with each other, and I like how each one is a distinct choice.” “there are too many consoles — I wish they’d all merge together.” “If a game gets ported somewhere else after it goes on sale, I feel like I wasted my money buying a console just to play that game.”

Fonte: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3173646

Nothing new, but the timing for Famitsu to ask that seems pertinent.


And... Ugh, Tales of the Tempest... I bought it, all happy that I had a Tales game on my DS and that it couldn't be that bad... but it was.

I'm almost ashamed to say I have tempest but haven't bought Innocence or Hearts yet (I'll have to buy them, specially if I want to enjoy their translations later on)

[pesmerga00]

I read your whole post throughhim and I have to say I agree with most of it. But I think that when you use the equation MSMoney > EstPS3Sales(INT) I think thats assuming that the contract won't wear off. Its my understanding that Microsoft pays this money for timed exclusivity meaning once the contract wore off they could successful port to the PS3 in other regions. But then that assumes that the deal was even for timed in this region and again if part of the deal and amount they payed was to keep it off International PS3 permanently than ya you are absolutely right but I hope that you are wrong. I want a copy of this contract for Vesperia to answer some of this questions! 

[throughhim413]

The EstPS3Sales(INT) was included there because I made the assumption that the PS3 game won't be localized. I explained that in my stipulations.

- I'm assuming that a non-exclusive multiplat would've meant international releases for both versions. I'm also assuming that the PS3 version won't be localized given the current situation. Honestly, the odds of the PS3 version being localized remain the same regardless of timed exclusivity. I just want to give the PS3 some kind of an edge.

So yeah, it's certainly a possibility the port could come to other regions. That's what I addressed when I was saying this:

2) If they do release the PS3 version internationally, then only difference in our math would be lower overall profits in Japan without the extra 360 sales. International PS3 sales would cancel each other out, meaning MSMoney > 0. Now, I'm no expert, but in my mind, MS' money is always better than nothing.

Hope that makes sense. /offtopic

So how 'bout them crazy fans? /ontopic

[Datschge]

I don't think the risk for Bamco is that high regardless of what they do and where they put it. The costs for the 132 employees in Tales Studio is there in any case and should be stable regardless of the amount of games they churn out. And churning out they can with the gained amount of experience as well as their huge library of assets to reuse. The variable additional costs should be relatively low as well: outside cooperating companies are well known returning long time partners, animated and CG movies are usually kept to a length of a single anime episode or less altogether, the jpop theme probably counts as cross promotion, the soundtrack budget is at the bare minimum, and the voice cast while relatively significant on its own surely won't make or break the overall budget.

Going XBox 360 first was a logical decision as it allowed the staff to become familiar with a HD system already when only the XBox 360 was out, and the style employed seems to get reused in a SD scale in ToG as well. Porting ToV to PS3 will make the staff familiar with the differences between both HD systems (just like ToS for PS2 did before TotA).

Sales above 100k are high, most games don't achieve that. Tales games by far don't rival the budgets of typical SE or tri-Ace games, so they don't need to get the same return of a typical SE or tri-Ace game to be financially successful. I personally believe the mere fact Bamco keeps the Tales game manufacturing machinery going at the current fast pace is proof enough.

[Craymel]

I hope they release dlc for xbox 360 version. I bet they'd make us pay for it though... I think that's unfair considering it was already planned to be in the game in the first place. I'm kinda getting a little peeved now considering I bought a 360 because vesperia was on it... My sister was even planning to get me a ps3 as a gift. I told her no because that kind of gift is just way too expensive...

[Chuc]

Even in anger, they sure know how to slice discs perfectly in half 

[lonerurouni187]

Even in anger, they sure know how to slice discs perfectly in half 

hahaha! Oh wow youre exactly right! haha