To any would be pirates/iso downloaders

[DeadlyAnGeL91792]

sorry if this is against the rules but i just wanted to put this up so trolls/pirates would give up there hunt.


This will not i repeat WILL NOT work on any downloaded copies of the game TRUST ME you are better off buying a legit copy somewhere i tried downloading the game from 3 torrents and 5 different sites NONE i repeat NONE worked with the patcher. i scanned them with cdmage,EVERY SINGLE VERSION had exactly 213 corrupt sectors my guess is someone uploaded an iso from a scratchy disc a long time ago and it got around the web very quickly so to all would be pirates GIVE UP and buy then burn your own copy,anyway every single one of the 8 attempts with the patcher failed

also the man in charge cless has said before that this is NOT an attempt to stop piracy its just the way the xdelta patcher is. Just letting everyone know.


well thats my message if anyone wants to add something (like where to buy the game) feel free to reply.

EDIT: as of now a clean version does exsist online i cant tell you where but i recommend googling "tales of phantasia error free iso"

[Rhapsody]

I have the actual game myself* (somewhere in here...), but I'm probably not going to go through the effort of re-re-ripping it (damn reformats). All it takes is one person to patch the good copy of the game and then upload the modified CD image, which is probably what I'll get after finding verification that it's a working image.

No idea how Cless feels about that, though I'd say it's a sign of the times that downloading a ~550MB CD image can be considered preferable to going through my stuff and finding the actual disc. Probably has something to do with the fact that my download speed has increased by a factor of 50 in the last decade.

*I actually bought it twice, since I managed to accidentally break my first disc. I'll be damned if I'm going to buy that thing a third time.

Edit: Also, there should be at least one good image online since I made one and uploaded it way back, and the disc I made that image from was in mint condition.

[Carnivol]

I'd say everyone should use their own copy of the game, and not seek out, nor encourage, the use of illegal means for acquiring a pre-patched image. If you for some reason don't want to "bring out your own disc", so you can follow the easy and simple steps for ripping it and preparing it for patching, then I suggest that you keep that to yourself and just don't talk about the subject... at all.

Remember; when you use a torrent to download something you claim to already own yourself, you're still uploading data to other people who're connected to that very same torrent, which means that you're actively part of the problem. As far as the whole piracy deal goes, that is. In fact, since you already have whatever you're downloading, you're technically even worse, as you contribute to doing something illegal when you could've easily avoided it by not just being lazy.

[Gibble]

honestly I don't expect it to make it to the torrents, I think the only reason absolute zero's translation made it to the web was because it was compatible with the widely available TOP iso however most people who are going to apply the patch to their ligit backups respect Cless' wishes enough not to distribute it, since I imagine all of us went through the effort at some point and time to get our hands on the ligit copy - at least that's what I think.

[CCR]

Wait wait wait...I thought hacking and translating was illegal even if it's just the patch? So what's the big deal about trying to find a clean copy of the game online when you're not even supporting the developers anymore?

Plus isn't Tales of Phantasia licensed somehow because of the gba port?

I know your point was to just say that the patch needs a clean rip and you're just giving a heads up to pirates, etc alike to watch out since the patch isn't going to work for them but talk of piracy and legal matters seems a bit ironic here.

EDIT: Sorry about the first part actually since it's only by the time I typed in the last part I realized you're just giving a heads up >.<

[Carnivol]

There's a lot of ifs and maybes as far as the legality of fan-translations and videogame hacking goes. Too much circumstantial stuff. Generally, hacking something is hardly ever illegal. There might be a TOS or EULA somewhere that says you're not supposed to do so, but in most corners of the world (if not all) those things aren't valid as a signed or binding contract of any form. Just a general wish list for what they expect from you (especially if you want to use specific services or in order for them to bother with providing you proper support beyond what's normally expected)

As far as translations goes; the translation is generally a product (and property) of a translator and/or whoever hired him/her (depending on their agreement as far as the translation procedures goes). Same goes for any editing work, script doctoring, and various other stuff related to the translation and the translation process. In general, there might be a legality issue involved in this part of the process, as scenario, characters, terms, etc... may be property of someone (in this case, Bandai Namco, formerly known as just Namco and time of the creation of Tales of Phantasia, with a possibility of some sort of limited and/or exclusivity for a commercial English translation being property of Nintendo)

Technically, the xdelta patch, as there is no actual property theft involved, as the translation is not only a non-commercial piece of cultural art, and the patch itself does not contain anything but translated text assets + tweaks, which are entirely made by the hard efforts of the team involved, all of which merely acts as means for providing the end-user (who's got his/her own responsibility to acquire a compatible copy of Tales of Phantasia to use with said patch, should he/she desire to use the patch) with a comprehensible, enjoyable, and entirely legal understanding of the contents (mostly referring to text and dialog assets here) of Tales of Phantasia, and there is no claiming of ownership of Tales of Phantasia, its scenario, characters, or any other content within the game. However, this also works the other way, as no one may take the hard work and efforts of Phantasian Productions and claim these as their own.



Since you brought up the term of "licensing", I suppose you may be referring to how anime fan-subbers handle a lot of things. Like... only doing fan-subs for anime that isn't "licensed" for US and/or other forms for international distribution; Did you know that even though the anime isn't "licensed" for distribution outside of Japan, it's still technically a crime (piracy) to distribute said anime, fan-subbed or not. However, the legality of the subtitle scripts themselves... is a bit of an icky gray zone, I suppose. Phantasian Productions even did fan-sub project for the Tales of Phantasia OVA (which followed the whole deal of cutting support the moment it was clear that it would be officially released, although I believe there once was talk about re-editing the scripts and release the subtitles data for all 4 episodes)


Anyway, tl;dr point is; No one here will approve of direct acknowledge and recognized use of piracy as a means for playing Tales of Phantasia w/ or w/out a translation patch. We will not encourage piracy, we will not support piracy, and we will not tell you how to commit the act of piracy. People here does not want to create any sour grapes with Bandai Namco, as without their titles, we'd have less to obsess over and more money to spend on other stuff. And, oh, the part about piracy is all in the Tales of Phantasia FAQ! Let's have a looksie

How will this translation be released?

As an xdelta patch, just like the demo. It should be easy to apply if you own an original game disc. Jackasses will probably upload a fully patched version to a torrent site somewhere without permission to increase their e-cred, though.

Where can I get the game?

Well, that's a toughie now, seeing as no online shops that stock it anymore. But there are three options for obtaining used copies that I know of:

    * The "track it down!" feature at Play-Asia.
    * Check eBay listings for a copy.
    * It's always readily available at Yahoo! Japan Auctions. Find and pay a deputy service to bid on and ship it to you.

There are no data differences between the original and PlayStation The Best reprint, and either release will work with our patch.

Don't ask us to tell you where to download the game. We won't tell you. This project is based around a legally purchased, original copy. Who knows where illegal rips originate from and if they haven't been messed up in some way. xdelta patches will NOT work if even a single byte is off.

People here do not encourage piracy and we all suggest people go elsewhere if they have a problem with that, instead of starting so called "discussions" about the legality of various other aspects of the Phantasian Productions projects (and other projects that may or may not somehow be housed around these parts with the approval of Cless).

Also, people here are generally probably not interested in wasting time on providing free-of-charge troubleshooting for patching problems people may encounter (or accepting bug reports from them) if they've either:

A) Pirated the game.
B) Downloaded a pre-patched image of the game.


Not targeting anyone specific now, but it's just a general "bla bla bla" post about the subject (it just seemed like such a nice idea to half-ass it as such a formal thing! Pretty cool, eh?)

[CloudHiro]

I own a legit copy of the game, but I went torrent searching to see if what the origonal poster was saying was true. turns out it wasnt (or at least he had very bad luck with it) and said torrent worked patched. oh well, sorry for bursting your pirating deterant bubble. not like that would stop pirates anyway  

[Carnivol]

We've had reports of people downloading the game from *somewhere*, and having issues patching it. And this *somewhere* place is a very popular place that a lot of people get their stuff from + which shows up rather frequently when googling for similar stuff.

Of course, there's no stopping others, as far as piracy goes (every man for himself), but if people for some stupid or lame reason choses to do so; then it's outside of our control and we don't want to be any part of it.

[battosai]

sorry if this is against the rules but i just wanted to put this up so trolls/pirates would give up there hunt.


This will not i repeat WILL NOT work on any downloaded copies of the game TRUST ME you are better off buying a legit copy somewhere i tried downloading the game from 3 torrents and 5 different sites NONE i repeat NONE worked with the patcher. i scanned them with cdmage,EVERY SINGLE VERSION had exactly 213 corrupt sectors my guess is someone uploaded an iso from a scratchy disc a long time ago and it got around the web very quickly so to all would be pirates GIVE UP and buy then burn your own copy,anyway every single one of the 8 attempts with the patcher failed

also the man in charge cless has said before that this is NOT an attempt to stop piracy its just the way the xdelta patcher is. Just letting everyone know.


well thats my message if anyone wants to add something (like where to buy the game) feel free to reply.

Eh I found a good image awhile ago, not saying where, I personally bought the game when absolutezeros patch came out, but there is a good image lurking out there, just dont ban me cless, I aint gona tell anyone where.

[Carnivol]

I think the best way to avoid any icky situations would be to simply not talk about it... at all

[AHPD]

I neither aproove or condone piracy. To me, the easier if not the only way to get hands on a Tales of Phantasia disc is traveling to Japan. That was the way for me to get my disc, i worked at Japan for a while at a muffler factory.

I were lucky of being there and bought almost all Tales games for PS1, and forgot to buy some of PS2, altough some of them were expensive. And Tales of Fandom was impossible to find.

There's some working images around the internet, but i won't tell were, and i won't provide, but if there's no other way, what the hell these people who's unlucky can do?

The only thing that i really condone is asking for images of any game for download, and i should say, Google for it! Dammit! Search everywhere, maybe you'll find it.

[danholo]

I own a copy of this game. I remember waiting for NCSX for a month or two to restock with a "the Best" version of the game about 7-8 years ago. When I finally got it, I just stared at the package. Anyway, my copy is in my dad's storage room, sitting in a box. I cannot get it now, nor do I want to take them out of storage. Am I not allowed to download an image of this game?

[Kogahazan]

I'd say everyone should use their own copy of the game, and not seek out, nor encourage, the use of illegal means for acquiring a pre-patched image. If you for some reason don't want to "bring out your own disc", so you can follow the easy and simple steps for ripping it and preparing it for patching, then I suggest that you keep that to yourself and just don't talk about the subject... at all.

Remember; when you use a torrent to download something you claim to already own yourself, you're still uploading data to other people who're connected to that very same torrent, which means that you're actively part of the problem. As far as the whole piracy deal goes, that is. In fact, since you already have whatever you're downloading, you're technically even worse, as you contribute to doing something illegal when you could've easily avoided it by not just being lazy.

[shanks]

Moralizing about piracy is senseless. The only real reason not to pirate is to support developers, which you can't do anymore since the game is out of print. Unless you like to collect cases and CDs downloading the game is a reasonable thing to do.

[Cless]

I do not care if what I'm posting here isn't completely relevant to the topic at hand.

The fact that our patches require exact, error-free, unmodified disc images is not an anti-piracy measure. The main motivation is because we want to avoid false bug reports as a result of patching a corrupted image. Bad pirated images are, in fact, in circulation. There's also the small chance that an error in the game disc ripping process could occur.

We specifically encourage the use of original discs for two prime reasons: 1) The likelihood of you getting an incompatible image from one is very small. 2) We cannot legally point you to the pirated image, even though it's no longer in print, and no matter what your outlook on software piracy is.

How you obtain the game is up to you.

[Destrudo]

lol no wrong I downloaded a bin/cue of this at some forum and the patch works, I even got the final product to be an img file instead of bin/cue  . Seriously just because someone downloaded/uploaded the game isn't wrong, remember these patches and image files for back-up purposes only. As long as you bought it you have EVERY right to download it from torrentz, rom site, hosting sites, etc and it will work!