Question about possible translation for PSP version...?

[Moonfrost]

Forgive me if this question has been asked before, but I haven't been on this forum for probably more than a year, I played ToP back when the DeJap translation was out and absolutely loved it (heard of the game back in the day but it never came outside Japan) and then I played through around half of the Playstation version with the first translation released (I think it was Absolute Zero?) and it was MUCH better and the translation was probably better than an official one would have been.

Getting to the point of this topic though, I heard around a year ago or so that it was possible to translate the PSP version by slightly modifying the patch because the PSP version is more or less (I know about the differences) an enhanced port of the Playstation version and I heard it was possible to adapt the patch for that version...is this true? and will it happen? I myself would love that and I would do it myself if I knew some programming and of course Japanese but I would really like someone to chime in on this!

[pedrocasilva]

I heard around a year ago or so that it was possible to translate the PSP version by slightly modifying the patch because the PSP version is more or less (I know about the differences) an enhanced port of the Playstation version and I heard it was possible to adapt the patch for that version...is this true

No. From what project leads have said... game structure is different, a different patch would have to be made as well as different hacks. Plus the PSP version is full voiced, unlike the PSone version.

No plans for that were announced (quite the opposite)


But if you have a PSP capable of running a modified PSP ISO then you have a PSP capable of running the patched PSone eboot anyway.

[Moonfrost]

Thanks for the fast reply!

Yeah I have a PSP with custom firmware, and about the voices...does that make it harder to hack? because I wouldn't expect anyone to redub the voices at all, just leave them perfectly in Japanese and with English text, but thanks!

[pedrocasilva]

Yeah I have a PSP with custom firmware, and about the voices...does that make it harder to hack? because I wouldn't expect anyone to redub the voices at all, just leave them perfectly in Japanese and with English text, but thanks!

I don't think the voices are a problem, it's just further proof that it is a different game and would require specific hacks to be made (and then we have this project, 8 years in the making and with lots of hacks that wouldn't work in there out of the bat). But AFAIK the biggest difference between the two is the way the game is packaged. (on a software structure level)

EDIT: here it is, from Cless:

The main difference in ToP PSP's file structure is that everything isn't stored in a giant packfile. The actual formats of the data files are all the same and directly compatible existing tool code.

But frankly, as the FAQ states, the current difficulty of porting the countless, necessary assembly hacks into the PSP version is what's preventing us from porting the project to it.

The Japanese ToE doesn't really need anywhere near as many assembly hacks to translate it to English as ToP does (yay for its native 7-bit ASCII support), and its file structure is the same as the PSX version. That's why you could quickly drop the US ToDII map packfile into the Japanese ToE PSP and get an instant story translation.

[Moonfrost]

Huh, I didn't know that...oh well, maybe someone will try at some point someday!

[andwhyisit]

But if you have a PSP capable of running a modified PSP ISO then you have a PSP capable of running the patched PSone eboot anyway.

But it is harder to get a copy of the PSX version than the PSP one. I don't know what you heard, but to emulate the game you actually require the game itself. Unless you just immorally download it from the internet and expected the other person to do the same.

Sorry but piracy+psp just irritates me for some reason.

[Moonfrost]

I was thinking on buying the game...but piracy doesn't bother me, I don't do it but people can do whatever they want, it's their problem.

And I'm talking about the PSP version, I own the PSX version which was hard to get.

[DuskShark]

Hey, did ya know there's a Tales of Rebirth PSP translation? Google, Noctournal Creations(or the link under the sig of a user named Penance).

[pedrocasilva]

But it is harder to get a copy of the PSX version than the PSP one. I don't know what you heard, but to emulate the game you actually require the game itself. Unless you just immorally download it from the internet and expected the other person to do the same.

Sorry but piracy+psp just irritates me for some reason.

I'm 100% anti-piracy.

buy the psone disc, rip it, patch and make it into a eboot.

[Seejay]

I pirate a some games. To put it simply, why should i buy a copy of spore for $100AU and have no rights with it. When i can download it for free and have no rights with it? I don't give a shit if it's illegal. What are they gonna do about it. I hate maxis and their crap. It's companies like them that are taking away our rights. I will only buy a game that i can install, play, uninstall, play again, and sell at will. Screw maxis and screw steam.

And yes i'm annoyed at piracy for the psp as well. If sony wasn't so worried about piracy on the psp maybe homebrew support would be implemented by sony itself. Instead of us having to risk bricking our psps and voiding our warranties just so our psps can reach their full potentials.

[Moonfrost]

To tell you the truth though, the DS has INCREDIBLE amounts of piracy and yet it sells like hotcakes, and so does the Wii and Nintendo doesn't seem to correct it in ever firmware upgrade or whatever...I also heard something about Nintendo not caring what their users did with their systems and that it was their problem if they bricked it because they wouldn't have a warranty anymore but that otherwise they could do as they please since it wouldn't really affect them, I shouldn't need to mention the Wii is the highest selling console.

So piracy is not the problem, I just think the DS took things by storm because it probably has more variety of games, and it wasn't until like early or mid 2007 that the PSP started getting great games one behind the other with great controls, storylines, graphics etc etc...

While the DS had games for everybody (quality games usually, but even the shovelware sells too) since launch.

The PS2 also had huge piracy yet it was the highest selling console of the last generation, specially in underdeveloped countries where some retailers sell them already pre-moded so it can play pirate games in case the user can't afford an original game.

[Craymel]

With a flash card the ds probably has a greater affinity for piracy then the psp does. It's actually a much simpler process and easier to use. Shit I knew I should have gotten a ds. Has more games and is easier to hack...

[Moonfrost]

I already had a DS and loved it...and yes, I had an R4 which was awesome because it even allowed me to play music and videos (though the latter just for show, the resolution sucks for that unlike the PSP), I did buy the games that were worth it though.

Thing is I had to sell it because I needed money because I was laid off from my job...so I only have the PSP but there's a lot of games on the PSP nowadays, you just have to look, the DS is actually full of shovelware too.

My personal opinion is to always have both, I couldn't live with the DS alone and now I'm thinking on getting a DSi as soon as I get another job.

[pedrocasilva]

To tell you the truth though, the DS has INCREDIBLE amounts of piracy and yet it sells like hotcakes, and so does the Wii and Nintendo doesn't seem to correct it in ever firmware upgrade or whatever...I also heard something about Nintendo not caring what their users did with their systems and that it was their problem if they bricked it because they wouldn't have a warranty anymore but that otherwise they could do as they please since it wouldn't really affect them, I shouldn't need to mention the Wii is the highest selling console.

The whole "nintendo doesn't care" is pretty much bogus.

They might not be that effective, but then again, sony never was with their platforms, neither was sega and neither is microsoft. Plus they're market leaders and that draws a lot of attention from hackers.

They've gone out of their way to squash flash carts (they even managed to put the R4 creators in jail), nuked all the cards in the new DSi (of course there's workarounds now, but they tried) and try constantly to end piracy on the Wii, from motherboard revisions that take out the pin-outs pirates used to solder the chip and the firmware upgrades trying to squash piracy.

While the DS had games for everybody (quality games usually, but even the shovelware sells too) since launch.

shovelware also sells on PSP (all those PS2 to PSP ports by EA and such). That was true for the first two years on the DS, but the buble has since burst, you can't just release anything on it and expect it to sell like before.

It happens with every successful platform, from a point onwards you need quality.


As for flashcarts... I can never bring myself to buy one, because I don't pirate, I look at the pricetag and go "I rather use that money on more games" and that's how it is... I have my PSP with custom firmware and run my PSone games via eboot and stuff though.

I'll only buy a flashcart when throughhim413 finishes his Tales of Innocence translation... along with the original game of course.

[Moonfrost]

I don't remember WHO from Nintendo it was, but he said it wasn't much of a problem (because of piracy the system sells like crazy, so does the Wii even though it's not THAT easy to pirate unless you know how to soldier and/or know a reliable hacker).

[andwhyisit]

I'm 100% anti-piracy.

buy the psone disc, rip it, patch and make it into a eboot.

Yay!

By the way, I just bought a copy from ebay not that long ago. When this patch comes out, I'll be ready.

I don't remember WHO from Nintendo it was, but he said it wasn't much of a problem (because of piracy the system sells like crazy, so does the Wii even though it's not THAT easy to pirate unless you know how to soldier and/or know a reliable hacker).

Game sales produce greater profit in the long term than system sales if I recall.