Progress update and screens for Jan 18th 2009.

[Penance]

Cless said Rebirth is definatley being considered but I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[Lanyn]

btw just want to ask something,so have the team is only doing tales of destiny director's cut translation only?and TOD 2 is being pending?
ow yeah and about the Tales of rebirth....is there any planning to translate that?...
thx

As far as I know, the ToD PS2 project is active, the ToD2 project is semi-active (I know, I need to get off my lazy rump and start contributing), and work is being done on ToR, but it's not really associated with Phantasian Productions (although that may change in the future).

[Penance]

Who's working on Rebirth?
I know that I am. Small little Menu Translation of Items, Artes, etc.
I had a little discussion about it on the official Tales Forum.

AFAIK, Cless is taking a break from TOD PS2, TOD2 PS2 is progressing and TOP is the top priority.

[stahnkenny]

i cannot express how happy this makes me that yall and absolute zero are doing this trans for toddc.
u do not understand how much i love this game but towards the latter portion of it when equipment gets good its difficult for me to know the effects because of the cc gauge and the many other effects that are written in kanji.

IF yOU NEED ANY $ OR SUPPORT I WILL GLADLY DONATE TO BOTH YOU GUYS AND ABSOLUTE ZERO   It would be the least i could do for al the hard work..

not that i do not love tod2 for ps2   i do love it  but tales of destiny for psx and tales of destiny dc  for ps2 are my 2 favorite games of all time.

I would love a ful trans patch  but believe it or not   a decent or a full menu and equipment patch WOULD BE SOO HELPFUL

either way i am patient and just wanted to express how happy i am you guys chose this game to trans next .
im a tales vet so the tech  i already know their effects  but like the rings/raw materials  and cc portion of the game  im like this    .

so i await the release hopefully in march and if you need anything i am hapy to help.   
You guys are the best!!!

[Penance]

Menu patches really do make all the difference.
I was starting to get annoyed at not being able to fully understand what materials I had but I got them all translated and slotted them into the file and now I actually know item I've made.
If I've managed to help myself with the amount of knowledge I have I am really looking forward to how much your translation hack helps.

Every day I check this forum for news. I really hope Cless resumes work on this soon.
I'd be excited about him finishing Phantasia but I don't have the game sadly so I wouldn't be able to play it.

[Osvir]

As this is a work in progress I believe those pictures won't be "final"... anyways I have something I am wondering about.

Follow the story from Leon Magnus' point of view. If you consider Stahn's Side to be the main story, then this is the reverse. This mode may be more enjoyable to those familiar with Stahn's Side.

First things first, Stahn's Side IS the main story. I don't consider it, I know it as a fact. Second, reverse? You follow the story from Leon's point of view... but it is reverse? Third, "mode" now? Fourth, "Stahn's Side" is repeated twice, which causes an amount of... stiffness in lack of better word. Five, there is no overall backstory about Leon, so when choosing him (for a new player) won't know what he is or where he comes from or what kind of style he might be using. All I get is his name and the understanding that I will play as him from his perspective.

I understand there is very little space but...

I know I won't make a very good job but I'll try and write one too:

Leon's Destiny (or Story)

Follow the Tale from Leon Magnus' perspective, a master swordsman of Seinegald. Leon's Destiny explores beyond the Story of the original Tale. It is recommended to play Stahn's Destiny first.

Now, what is the point with this? Well honestly, the first version is slightly stiff, jumpy and very straight-forward explanatory. Which isn't a bad thing, but where is the life and the flow? I have no doubt that this version of yours is not final anywhere, but I just wanted to point and pick ^^ and I have no doubt about it that my version most likely is not very good. But that's up to you.

[Kajitani-Eizan]

they were going for the obverse/reverse thing. stahn's side is the main story. if you consider it to be the front of the coin, leon's side is the back of the coin.

i'm not sure if you really need to describe who leon is, but it might be a good idea to make the recommendation stronger, like, "It is strongly recommended that you play Stahn's Side prior to Leon's Side."

[Penance]

I actually agree with Osvir.
Cless' version only really makes sense to someone who has played the game and I know a hefty amount of people who havn't but plan to play this eventual patch.

[throughhim413]

I actually agree with Osvir.
Cless' version only really makes sense to someone who has played the game and I know a hefty amount of people who havn't but plan to play this eventual patch.

It's really only intended for people who have played the game... The only part that should matter to people who haven't played the game is the DON'T PLAY THIS UNTIL YOU PLAY STAHN'S SIDE part. Of course, I do agree that the word "reverse" is a bit awkward in there. Like everything else, it needs to be edited before we call it final.

[Penance]

So let me get this straight...

1.) <Person X> has never played Tales of Destiny in their life. They don't know anything about the story; who the main characters are, the plot, etc.

2.) <Person X> has purchased Tales of Destiny: DC because they want to finally play the beloved Tales game in English.

3.) <Person X> applies the translation patch to a blank disk and boots it up in their PS2.

4.) <Person X> selects 'New Game' from the title screen and gets to the "please choose a side" screen.

5.) <Person X> has no idea of the stories plot and who is the main character as written above and simply chooses Leon's side because... "he looks awesome!".

I know that it says "Leon's Side may be more enjoyable to those familiar with Stahn's Side" but that could merely be ones opinion. It's not going to be more enjoyable for everyone. People who hate Leon aren't really going to like it.

Anyway, it's not completely needed for you to play Stahn's Side first. Sure the person will probably end up thinking Leon is the main protagonist and find the game incredibly short for a 'Tales of' but that's not really much of a problem. They can just play Stahn's Side after.

Imo, it would sound much better if you sort of explained what each side is about, not just single it down to "Play Stahn's first and Leon's after because you'll find it more enjoyable!". Not everyone may want to go with Stahn's side first. Even people familiar to the game but don't have a complete understanding of the story may end up choosing Leon's side. There is no written rule saying Stahn's comes first.

[throughhim413]

Well, presumably, they would boot up the game and as you would expect because of the way the game is programmed, Stahn's Side would be the default option. Now to me, that would be an indicaition from the start that Stahn's Side is meant to be played first. However, should that fail to register with someone, I should think that the description of Stahn's Side that reads "This mode is recommended for those who are playing for the first time" should do the job.

And yes, as I stated, I agree that the description of Leon's Side needs revision. Which part of that made you think that you needed to try and argue that point?

EDIT: Here was how I translated it:

The tale of Stahn Aileron. It is recommended that those playing for the first time and those that have not played to the end of the original version begin with this game mode.

The tale of Leon Magnus. The beginning of the story follows the events of Stahn's Side, but proceeds to tell the whole story. Knowing the events of the main story give greater meaning to this mode.
(I messed up the second sentence in translation, but I won't bother fixing it here. As discussed, the second sentence should say that it tells "the other side" of Leon's story.)

AND, if the person chooses Leon's Side anyway, this prompt comes up:

When playing for the first time, starting with "Stahn's Side" is highly recommended. Would you really like to start playing "Leon's Side"?

[Penance]

Well, presumably, they would boot up the game and as you would expect because of the way the game is programmed, Stahn's Side would be the default option. Now to me, that would be an indication from the start that Stahn's Side is meant to be played first.

It's not meant to be though, it's up to the user.
Stahn wasn't the default option when I first booted Director's Cut. It was above Leon's as usual but I went to Leon's straight away.
I had already played the game so that's why I went to Leon's but like I said it's not actually a rule for you to do Stahn's.

However, should that fail to register with someone, I should think that the description of Stahn's Side that reads "This mode is recommended for those who are playing for the first time" should do the job.

We haven't seen Stahn's description so that isn't a very fair point to use.

And yes, as I stated, I agree that the description of Leon's Side needs revision. Which part of that made you think that you needed to try and argue that point?

I wanted to get my point across. Just because you've said it needed revision doesn't mean I can't comment on the fact that it does. I'm just inputting my thoughts.

[throughhim413]

It's not meant to be though, it's up to the user.
Stahn wasn't the default option when I first booted Director's Cut. It was above Leon's as usual but I went to Leon's straight away.
I had already played the game so that's why I went to Leon's but like I said it's not actually a rule for you to do Stahn's.

It does that if you have complete save data for Stahn's Side (i.e. the original ToDr). The fact that they have a popup warning you not to play Leon's Side certainly says to me that they developers want people to play Stahn's Side first. Of course, it's still up to the player - sadly you can't force common sense on people.

We haven't seen Stahn's description so that isn't a very fair point to use.

Right, this is my point exactly - there's no point in nitpicking screens when you don't have the whole picture. Just trust us, we intend to fix all of the problems before any of you have to worry about them.

Don't miss the edits I made to my post above. I've provided the original translations for the modes since everyone is so curious for whatever reason.

[Penance]

If you'd have posted the part you'd edited in when this discussion started we wouldn't still be having the discussion.
I don't know anything other than basic Kana so I knew nothing of a pop up or what was even written in the boxes descripting the two sides.
I apologise if you thought I was being rude but it all really came down to me not knowing anything about Japanese so I questioned how you had done it.

[Kajitani-Eizan]

I wanted to get my point across. Just because you've said it needed revision doesn't mean I can't comment on the fact that it does. I'm just inputting my thoughts.

this is all well and good... i'm certainly not one to shut my mouth, myself. but...

We haven't seen Stahn's description so that isn't a very fair point to use.

the correct response is "oh ok now i see, thanks!", not "that isn't a fair point to use".

you had a valid point up until all this peripheral information was brought up. now that it's brought up, the issue is resolved and your point is no longer applicable (through no fault of your own). cue amicable end of discussion. there is nothing fair or unfair here. who is keeping score, exactly?

[coolred]

hmm about leon side....i think the developer want to explain to fan what is exactly happen to leon...i mean because tales of destiny 2 leon is alive as judas.....after that kyle and co is destroy the final lens and the time is reset as Stahn never died

so i think personaly...leon side is the answer to fan who questioning what exactly leon must suffer on Tales of destiny...so i mean leon is a victim of fate....
well even though...i personaly want leon to be alive....ahhahaha
maybe tha't why developer don't add why must play stahn or leon side ...

that's is my opinion