The artes/tech/spells/skills/killer moves topic

[Kevassa]

If the width is halved, at least 16 since I think the longest name in Japanese is 8. 17 or 18 may be possible but that could be pushing it. However, we could make it even skinnier to fit maybe 24. Hopefully that wouldn't be too thin...

16? that is quite a lot, I think that we can manage with that, since most names can fit that. There is no need to make it thinner IMO, though there is magic too, maybe there are magic bigger than 16 charas.. or hi ougis like that (looks at Lonis 16 kanji skill)

[KBTKaiser]

Going by original spell names here...

Most of the Level 3 spells are good (letter count, including spaces)
Execution-Luna Shade (9,10)
Divine Saber-Sol Bright (14, 10)
Embrace End-Aquarimus (11, 9-10)
Ancient Nova-Flambrave (12, 9)
Grand Vanish-Earth Tepper (12, 12)
Fearful Storm-Sylphis Tear (13, 12)

Levels 2s
Negative Gate-Evil Sphere (13, 11)
Prism Flasher-Shining Spear (13, 13)
Splash-Crush Gust (6, 10)
Burn Strike-Volcanic Ray (11, 12)
Air Pressure-Ceiling Fall (12, 12)
Air Thrust-Voltic Heat (10, 11)

Level 1s
Shadow Edge-Bloody Cross (11, 12)
Delta Ray-Trinity Spark (9, 13)
Aqua Spike-Freeze Hunter (10, 13)
Flame Drive-Photon Blaze (11, 13)
Stone Zapper-Sting Grave (12, 11)
Wind Slash-Cross Blade (10, 12)

In short, Magic is no problem.  It's the skill extensions that are the main problem.

[Kevassa]

Going by original spell names here...

Most of the Level 3 spells are good (letter count, including spaces)
Execution-Luna Shade (9,10)
Divine Saber-Sol Bright (14, 10)
Embrace End-Aquarimus (11, 9-10)
Ancient Nova-Flambrave (12, 9)
Grand Vanish-Earth Tepper (12, 12)
Fearful Storm-Sylphis Tear (13, 12)

Levels 2s
Negative Gate-Evil Sphere (13, 11)
Prism Flasher-Shining Spear (13, 13)
Splash-Crush Gust (6, 10)
Burn Strike-Volcanic Ray (11, 12)
Air Pressure-Ceiling Fall (12, 12)
Air Thrust-Voltic Heat (10, 11)

Level 1s
Shadow Edge-Bloody Cross (11, 12)
Delta Ray-Trinity Spark (9, 13)
Aqua Spike-Freeze Hunter (10, 13)
Flame Drive-Photon Blaze (11, 13)
Stone Zapper-Sting Grave (12, 11)
Wind Slash-Cross Blade (10, 12)

In short, Magic is no problem.  It's the skill extensions that are the main problem.

Yes that is true, lets hope we can use good names AND that fit

[Cless]

I FOUND IT I FOUND IT I FOUND IT I FOUND IT I FOUND IT I FOUND IT I FOUND IT I FOUND IT I FOUND IT I FOUND IT I FOUND IT I FOUND IT



EDIT: oh god it is awesome isn't it YES IT IS



horrible before image:



EDIT 2: The control mode selector is now normalized too.

[Cyllya]

Careful there, Cless. You'll wake the neighbors. 

[Cless]

Okay.. tell me. Are there ANY hiougi/mystic arte names missing from this list? Or any other text that occurs while doing the attack?

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裂衝蒼破塵<END>

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絶破滅焼撃<END>

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魔人千裂衝<END>

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ファイナルプレイヤー<END>

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スパイラルドライバー<END>

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蒼龍滅牙斬<END>

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翔王絶憐衝<END>

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斬空天翔剣<END>

!!8775.bin
クリティカルブレード<END>

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震天<END>

震天裂空<END>

震天裂空斬光<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風滅砕<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風滅砕神罰<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風滅砕神罰割殺撃<END>

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浄破滅焼闇<END>

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翔破裂光閃<END>

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義憐聖霊斬<END>

-チガ  チヲコバム-<END>

-ココロガ  ココロヲクダク-<END>

-キセキハオトズレナイ-<END>

-ユメナド・・・-<END>

-ソコニハソンザイシナイノダカラ-<END>

-アラガウカ！-<END>

-ムダダ！-<END>

-サカラエヌ、サダメガアル・・・-<END>

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震天<END>

震天裂空<END>

震天裂空斬光<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風滅砕<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風滅砕神罰<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風滅砕神罰攻撃<END>

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ワイルド・ギース<END>

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真神煉獄刹<END>

[Kajitani-Eizan]

yeah, you're missing ―秘奥義―, plus all the summons. also perhaps the superspells, like last vanisher. (was indignate judgment one?)

[Cless]

―秘奥義―

In the battle file.

plus all the summons. also perhaps the superspells, like last vanisher. (was indignate judgment one?)

In the menu files.

...anything else?

[KBTKaiser]

Okay.. tell me. Are there ANY hiougi/mystic arte names missing from this list? Or any other text that occurs while doing the attack?

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裂衝蒼破塵<END> Kyle

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絶破滅焼撃<END> Kyle

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魔人千裂衝<END> Judas

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ファイナルプレイヤー<END> Loni

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スパイラルドライバー<END> Loni

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蒼龍滅牙斬<END> Kyle

!!8773.bin
翔王絶憐衝<END> Kyle

!!8774.bin
斬空天翔剣<END> Kyle

!!8775.bin
クリティカルブレード<END> Loni

!!8776.bin
震天<END>

震天裂空<END>

震天裂空斬光<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風滅砕<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風滅砕神罰<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風滅砕神罰割殺撃<END> Loni

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浄破滅焼闇<END> Judas

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翔破裂光閃<END> Judas

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義憐聖霊斬<END> Judas

-チガ  チヲコバム-<END>

-ココロガ  ココロヲクダク-<END>

-キセキハオトズレナイ-<END>

-ユメナド・・・-<END>

-ソコニハソンザイシナイノダカラ-<END>

-アラガウカ！-<END>

-ムダダ！-<END>

-サカラエヌ、サダメガアル・・・-<END>

!!8786.bin
震天<END>

震天裂空<END>

震天裂空斬光<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風滅砕<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風滅砕神罰<END>

震天裂空斬光旋風滅砕神罰攻撃<END> Loni

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ワイルド・ギース<END> Nanaly

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真神煉獄刹<END> Judas

*Goes through and marks each one to be sure*

Kyle- 5
Loni- 4.5
Judas- 4.5
Nanaly- 1

This covers all the physical ones, Cless.  I assume you have the 6 summons stocked away elsewhere?

[Cless]

*Goes through and marks each one to be sure*

Kyle- 5
Loni- 4.5
Judas- 4.5
Nanaly- 1

This covers all the physical ones, Cless.  I assume you have the 6 summons stocked away elsewhere?

You mean like Luna Shade and all that? Those should already be included with the menu dump. If that's the case I need to finalize this utility I hacked together to dump these things and get working on the inserter.

[me_001]

This is something I assumed everyone noticed, but I think it would help if I pointed it out. It might even inspire and motivate some people (and Cless finds "Community translation" to be dying).

Tales of Destiny 2's skill and spells were completely new when the game got out. WRONG! Actually, almost wrong.
Most of the skills are "alternatives" to the normal Tales skills.

-Souhajin  : Majinken. This one is a bit far far fetched.
-Chirihajin : Obviously Chirizasame
-Bakuenken : It looks like a more combo friendly Gurenken
-Senkoushou : Senkuureppa
-Souryu Metsugazan : Obviously Ryuuko Mestugazan
-Shouou Zetsurenshou : Hiou Zetsuenshou

-Raijinshou : Raijinken
-Senkoubappa : Shishisenkou


The point of this ? I think we could use the official translation as inspirations. It will be easier to translate and it will give the same impression the original did.

[Nae]

Shouou Zetsurenshou is nothing like Hi'ou Zetsuenshou.

[me_001]

The attack names sound a lot like eachother.
Their users are both enveloped in flames while crashing on an enemy. Of course Hiou Zentsuenshou is an extension so it's not as long or as flashy as Shouou Zetsurenshou.
I'd say they are alike, but that's just me.

[KBTKaiser]

Current debates aside, as I am currently without my PS2 for skill descriptions, I'll just work with skills names for Judas.

Hirenzan -> Hirensousen
Soaring Talon -> Talon Flash

Sourengeki -> Sourenshouha
Double Blade -> Double Breaker(This requires a description of the actions since the exact attack slips my mind)

Geneijin -> Geneikaiki
Phantom Edge -> Phantom Return (Phantom Edge is official localization as of TotW:Radiant Mythology)

Gessenkou -> Gessenkohou
Moon Glare -> Moon Fall (Both names are official)

Senretsukokousen -> Majinsenretsushou
Flash Skewer -> Infernal Flash

Funjinreppashou -> Jyouhamesshouen
Dust Spark Strike -> Darkness Burning

Houryuuzankouken -> Shouharekkousen
Dragon Glare -> Glare Cannon (Dragon Glare is official, cannon refers to the spear cannon series)

Majinmessatsuen -> Girenshoureizan -> Majinrengosatsu
Infernal Circle -> Holy Justice -> Infernal Suffering (Infernal Suffering is official)

I'm not thinking quite at full capacity, so a few minds to bounce off of would be nice.

[Cless]

While I'm not ready to put my whole two cents in on this topic, I can say that Judas' Majinrengokusatsu can't be Infernal Suffering. Infernal Suffering in Radiant Mythology was translated from Leon's in ToD PS2, which uses different kanji. It's probably going to be impossible to keep the pun.

[KBTKaiser]

oh, that's right, they swapped the demon for truth. >>;

In which case, it'd still seem to work if we just change Infernal to True. >>;